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Post by evelyn54 on Apr 20, 2013 18:03:33 GMT
Hi, I am a new member and after trying out Femmenessence which is a form of Maca for my menopause symptoms and PM Phytogen i decided to try HRT i was prescribed femseven sequi and i stuck the patch on very well as instructed, it seemed to be stuck on well but after 2 days it fell off this afternoon! if i put the other one on now then it will have to stay on for another week and a half before i start the last 2 weeks of the phase 2!! this is very confusing and i dont know what to do, can anyone advise? this seems ridiculous if they are going to fall off all the time as i will never have enough patches! the patch did get wet when i had a bath but the first time it was fine but after my bath this morning it just fell off!! my problem is horrible achy joints, hot flushes and dryness. i am 54 and my periods stopped august last year.
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Post by jacksfullofaces on Apr 21, 2013 16:00:07 GMT
Hi Evelyn and welcome.
I don't use patches but understand that with femseven you need to hold your hand firmly over the patch for a couple of minutes to help it stick. If you continue to have problems you might like to try a gel. I use oestrogel and find it is excellent.
Jacks
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Post by gobe on Apr 22, 2013 9:56:32 GMT
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Post by shimmy on Apr 22, 2013 13:26:08 GMT
Hi Evelyn,  I use femseven conti patches, and as Jacks has said the best way to get them to stick is to hold a warm hand over the patch for about 2 mins. I tend to stick to showering, with just the odd bath now and again and the patch seems to last the week. I'm not familar with sequi patches. Hopefully someone will be along who can advice you. Maxine x |
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Post by evelyn54 on Apr 25, 2013 20:34:47 GMT
thanks for advice, I am showering more than bathing now! i also stuck some non allergenic tape on top of the patch to keep it on, anyway i will see how it goes, i feel a bit off at the moment i think its because my body is not used to oestrogen, but will try for 3 months and see what happens, hot flushes much better anyway but very, very tired and wizzy head!!
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Post by evelyn54 on Apr 25, 2013 20:37:02 GMT
Jacks - if i dont get along with the HRT patches, where do you get the oestrogel from? does the Doctor give a prescription?
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Post by jacksfullofaces on Apr 26, 2013 7:48:25 GMT
Evelyn
yes your GP can prescribe it. But you must rub it in thoroughly - Pinky wrote guidelines from Dr Annie Evans. The manufacturers instructions leave something to be desired.
Jacks
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Post by jacksfullofaces on Apr 26, 2013 7:50:16 GMT
Sounds like you are still low on estradiol - sometimes patches do not absorb well - the gel might be a better option especially as the dose is easier to tailor.
Jacks
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Post by evelyn54 on Apr 26, 2013 19:43:25 GMT
this site is really good, lots of interesting stories, i thought the femmenessence would work for me it sounded so good with trials etc but after 4-5 month it doesnt seem to have helped my oestrogen at all,it did help at first with flushes but then they got worse again, then i had to cut the dose down and was still suffering with flushes etc, i wonder if anyone else on here has tried this product; i am hoping to get a good response after 3months with the femseven sequi patches; but you seem to have a good regime sorted out which you have listed; it looks like you are using 2 creams and 3 products that you take by pill jacks? the utrogestan, testosterone and pregnelolone - are these prescription? or do you get from natural store like Holland and barrett for example (I am based in UK) so not sure where you get yours from. I have been researching natural meno products for 1 year now, i also tried phytogen pm before it was banned by EU, that was good and gave me lots of energy but did not stop the flushes, and it made my hair grow! so many products out there......
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Post by jacksfullofaces on Apr 27, 2013 9:02:22 GMT
Hi Evelyn
The testosterone is prescription gel ( I'm in UK) as for DHEA and pregnenolone capsules I buy these from Amazon. Holland and Barrett don't sell them although they are OTC everywhere but Britain. I recommend you buy copies of Hormone Solution Thierry Hertoghe and Superwoman Uzzi Reiss - I wouldn't be without them.
Jacks
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Post by evelyn54 on Apr 28, 2013 20:48:21 GMT
Jacks & Pinky thanks, well at moment trying this femseven sequi, but i would prefer something else, it has stopped my awful flushes, feels better down below, and do feel some libido coming back, but i am so aware its not natural, i feel that i would prefer to use other natural means as you both do with the oestrogel etc - can i ask are these bio-identical hormones? i found this on the web 2 nights ago which i had never heard of before, it seems i could go to my doctor and get a prescription on nhs for this treatment which seems to be patch or gel of estradiol some form of bio-id progesterone - can i ask if your treatments are not bio-identical hormone therapy had you thought of this for yourselves at all? thanks for advice on the books, Evelyn.
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Post by jacksfullofaces on Apr 29, 2013 7:33:08 GMT
Jacks & Pinky thanks, well at moment trying this femseven sequi, but i would prefer something else, it has stopped my awful flushes, feels better down below, and do feel some libido coming back, but i am so aware its not natural, i feel that i would prefer to use other natural means as you both do with the oestrogel etc - can i ask are these bio-identical hormones? i found this on the web 2 nights ago which i had never heard of before, it seems i could go to my doctor and get a prescription on nhs for this treatment which seems to be patch or gel of estradiol some form of bio-id progesterone - can i ask if your treatments are not bio-identical hormone therapy had you thought of this for yourselves at all? thanks for advice on the books, Evelyn. Evelyn All of the hormones I use are bio identical versions.Femseven uses a bio identical estradiol but a progestin rather than progesterone. Jacks |
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Post by evelyn54 on May 3, 2013 23:19:06 GMT
hello ladies thanks for all your advice, i have been really busy so couldnt get on the site till now. I did go to my GP and i have got a prescription now for the Oestrogel (estradiol gel) i have 2 months supply and my doctor wrked out the progesterone for me which it says it is micronised as i said to my doctor i want the bioidentical, anyway inside it says it is Utrogestan, the only thing is mine is 200mg and i notice both yours are 100mg utrogestan, so i am a bit worried about side effects and why mine is 200mg and not 100mg? i am going to finish this last patch (1 week) of the femseven sequi then switch as i think its probably easier to switch that way? i think the progesterone in the femseven is making me very sleepy though, my gp is very good so i am sure she would change my prescription of the utrogestan if i asked, what do you think? i am recommending this site to my friends as it has helped me so much, i havent had time as yet to buy any books recommended (my daughter has just had a baby) and i am worked too so it has been brilliant for the advice you have given me, many thanks:)
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Post by shimmy on May 4, 2013 9:39:00 GMT
Hi Evelyn,
I think I'm right in saying 100g Utrogestan is for women who are postmenopausal and taken daily. x
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Post by evelyn54 on May 6, 2013 22:50:45 GMT
Thanks Pinky,
I have looked at the links, very interesting; gosh lots of information. Well, i have 5 more days of this last femsequi patch and i do want to try the oestrogel and utrogestan, so i willgive it a shot, my utrogestan says 200mg day 15 to day 26 but i may do 200mg for 7 days after researching etc and what dr annie recommends, (from your link) do you think this would be ok? i guess i am a lightweight and quite sensitive to the products, (i weigh 8 stone) so i think i dont need massive amounts; only thing is i could not find out when to start the utrogestan for the 7 day option? ie where in the cycle..... day 15 to 21 or the last 7 days of a 28 day cycle? oh - i have just seen you take it for first 7 days of the month but you are on 100mg....
from what i have been reading on internet utrogestan seems to make people very, very sleepy, how do you all react to it? well sorry to ask so many questions..... other thing i could do is start as prescribed ie day 15 - 26 and if i get side effects cut down. any more advice on your experiences appreciated x
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Post by evelyn54 on May 6, 2013 22:55:51 GMT
just one more thing i am not sure of as i have just scanned up the page again!! (too late i must get off to bed!) the utrogestan is taken i can now see for first 7 days for the 100mg, i presume i would do the same even though mine are 200mg; why is the progesterone taken at the beginning when normally progesterone is taken at the middle to end ? thanks so much everyone
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Post by jacksfullofaces on May 7, 2013 9:08:00 GMT
Thanks Pinky, I have looked at the links, very interesting; gosh lots of information. Well, i have 5 more days of this last femsequi patch and i do want to try the oestrogel and utrogestan, so i willgive it a shot, my utrogestan says 200mg day 15 to day 26 but i may do 200mg for 7 days after researching etc and what dr annie recommends, (from your link) do you think this would be ok? i guess i am a lightweight and quite sensitive to the products, (i weigh 8 stone) so i think i dont need massive amounts; only thing is i could not find out when to start the utrogestan for the 7 day option? ie where in the cycle..... day 15 to 21 or the last 7 days of a 28 day cycle? oh - i have just seen you take it for first 7 days of the month but you are on 100mg.... from what i have been reading on internet utrogestan seems to make people very, very sleepy, how do you all react to it? well sorry to ask so many questions..... other thing i could do is start as prescribed ie day 15 - 26 and if i get side effects cut down. any more advice on your experiences appreciated x Evelyn Utrogestan doesn't make me sleepy but I do 100 mg daily and still have a monthly cycle. Utrogestan was very helpful for improving menstrual cramps and lightening the bleeding. It also improved my quality of sleep. However why they don't introduce a 50mg capsule to be taken twice daily is beyond me. A smaller dose might turn the trick for many women. Jacks |
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Post by evelyn54 on May 8, 2013 18:58:54 GMT
oh yes - i see what you do Jacks - you take a utrogestan pill every single day 100mg dose.
The pregnelolone you take looks interesting, i googled this and it seems to be very good for arthritis and inflammation.
Question for Pinky - I did log onto Dr Annie EVans site, thanks; you mention the 3 ways of taking the utrogestan, mine would match the 200mg 7 days a week - can i ask if you know where in the cycle i w ould start? would it be say day 21 - 28? would i get a bleed? i could not find this informaton on the website. I would prefer to take for 7 days rather than 12 thats recommended and have the transvaginal scans every year privately.
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Post by evelyn54 on May 8, 2013 22:18:11 GMT
ok thanks Pinky - i have had lots of info from you all so i will see how i go and keep in touch, dont want those hot flushes to come back thats for sure!
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Post by shimmy on May 9, 2013 14:28:02 GMT
Hi Pinky, I'm well thank you - hope you are too
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Post by evelyn54 on May 13, 2013 19:56:40 GMT
hello everyone, update. after using femseven sequi for more or less 1 month (sometimes patches came off early) improvements were in libido, people said I looked well! skin glowing,vaginal dryness problems definitely improved, drawbacks were indigestion,pms symptoms, bloating, sort of anxiety I think and weird feelings of being not exactly dizzy but something like that! though the dizziness did get better after a few days and had to take the last patch off early. Then I got the prescription for the oestrogel and the utrogestan so after a 3 day break from the end of the patches I started with oestrogel 2 pumps, 1 morning and 1 evening - to cut a long story short this did not work at all, the side effects were even worse then the femseven sequi! How to put in a nutshell ....... could not function properly!! extreme, extreme fatigue, awful feelings of being down, indigestion still bad,downing zantac every day to cope with; cut the dose down to 1 pump of oestrogel - still too much, had a day break, then the next day just had less then half a pump in am and in the pm! so it looks like if I stick to this regime I can only tolerate at the moment half a pump of oestrogel per day split (believe it or not) into an am and pm dose! I am really not sure what to do, I like that I have no hot flushes, and for the last 2 days have felt great since cutting the dose right down but do not know how long this will last, will have to see - also have no idea what to do about the utrogestan, I do not want to take it because of the side effects, I phoned my doctor and asked if I could use it vaginally but she said no, I thought I would go to her and ask for a prescription for a vaginal natural progesterone - does anyway one know the name of this so I can tell her what to look for in her book? and does anyone have knowledge of the vaginal progesterone regarding side effects, I would be hoping that I would not suffer the awful acid reflux/indigestion if I could use the vaginal route. I wish I did not have to use this but understand I have to use a progesterone for safety reasons, I would hope and imagine that I could gradually increase my dose of estrogel to at least be on 1 pump a day and then try to work out how much progesterone (hopefully vaginal pessaries) to take - any ideas would be absolutely more than welcome.
This site has at least given me the reassurance that most women try quite a lot of different methods before finding something to suit them but without awful side effects, x
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Post by jacksfullofaces on May 13, 2013 20:10:31 GMT
hello everyone, update. after using femseven sequi for more or less 1 month (sometimes patches came off early) improvements were in libido, people said I looked well! skin glowing,vaginal dryness problems definitely improved, drawbacks were indigestion,pms symptoms, bloating, sort of anxiety I think and weird feelings of being not exactly dizzy but something like that! though the dizziness did get better after a few days and had to take the last patch off early. Then I got the prescription for the oestrogel and the utrogestan so after a 3 day break from the end of the patches I started with oestrogel 2 pumps, 1 morning and 1 evening - to cut a long story short this did not work at all, the side effects were even worse then the femseven sequi! How to put in a nutshell ....... could not function properly!! extreme, extreme fatigue, awful feelings of being down, indigestion still bad,downing zantac every day to cope with; cut the dose down to 1 pump of oestrogel - still too much, had a day break, then the next day just had less then half a pump in am and in the pm! so it looks like if I stick to this regime I can only tolerate at the moment half a pump of oestrogel per day split (believe it or not) into an am and pm dose! I am really not sure what to do, I like that I have no hot flushes, and for the last 2 days have felt great since cutting the dose right down but do not know how long this will last, will have to see - also have no idea what to do about the utrogestan, I do not want to take it because of the side effects, I phoned my doctor and asked if I could use it vaginally but she said no, I thought I would go to her and ask for a prescription for a vaginal natural progesterone - does anyway one know the name of this so I can tell her what to look for in her book? and does anyone have knowledge of the vaginal progesterone regarding side effects, I would be hoping that I would not suffer the awful acid reflux/indigestion if I could use the vaginal route. I wish I did not have to use this but understand I have to use a progesterone for safety reasons, I would hope and imagine that I could gradually increase my dose of estrogel to at least be on 1 pump a day and then try to work out how much progesterone (hopefully vaginal pessaries) to take - any ideas would be absolutely more than welcome. This site has at least given me the reassurance that most women try quite a lot of different methods before finding something to suit them but without awful side effects, x Hi Evelyn The oestrogel is not causing the acid indigestion - it is the Utrogestan which relaxes the oesophagus. The vaginal progesterone is called Crinone. Jacks |
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Post by shimmy on May 14, 2013 12:43:55 GMT
Hi Pinky,
Sorry things could be better - menopause is such a bummer!
I'm plodding along. Still have the odd day when the anxiety rears it's head but on the whole I feel much better.
The problem I have at the moment is with my knee. I twisted it (bellydancing) seven weeks ago and it's still not right. Eventually saw the physio last week after waiting five weeks and no letter from the hospital, I phoned to see where I was on the list and was asked "could I come in the next day". Physio told me I should have been seen straight away and that I'd damaged my MCL ligament. Very frustrating, can't walk any faster than a snails pace or my knee buckles and my leg aches where the knee nerves have been irritated. Off to Valencia to visit my son on Sunday. Hopefully a few days sitting in the sunshine will do some good.
Sorry for the moan x
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Post by jacksfullofaces on May 14, 2013 13:06:51 GMT
Hi Pinky, Sorry things could be better - menopause is such a bummer! I'm plodding along. Still have the odd day when the anxiety rears it's head but on the whole I feel much better. The problem I have at the moment is with my knee. I twisted it (bellydancing) seven weeks ago and it's still not right. Eventually saw the physio last week after waiting five weeks and no letter from the hospital, I phoned to see where I was on the list and was asked "could I come in the next day". Physio told me I should have been seen straight away and that I'd damaged my MCL ligament. Very frustrating, can't walk any faster than a snails pace or my knee buckles and my leg aches where the knee nerves have been irritated. Off to Valencia to visit my son on Sunday. Hopefully a few days sitting in the sunshine will do some good. Sorry for the moan x Hmm I'm expected to wait MONTHS for the result of an MRI heart scan so I'm not surprised - but you might be able to help yourself by seeing an osteopath - mine does legs as well as backs. Jacks |
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Post by evelyn54 on May 14, 2013 19:42:24 GMT
Hi, thanks for advice, and thanks for name of the vaginal pessary, next time I go to the doctor I will ask her for a prescription; i have another months supply of femseven so for now i am going to cut the patch in half and this morning i stuck just half on! i will go on like this for now and see what happens and hopefully get my levels of everything up a bit; i guess if my hormones have taken last 6 years to get this non existant no wonder i felt so ill with a great whack of oestrogen etc going in! hopefully by doing this my body will get used to more oestrogen and progesterone being around and will get more tolerant to side effects, my aim though is to come off this and to be using the oestrogel and the crinone pessary; maybe in couple of months x
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Post by evelyn54 on May 15, 2013 7:43:30 GMT
not sure if my latest message got through, cannot see it hear; anyhow thanks for advices, well this menopause is definitely trial and error of trying various things; I will ask my doctor when I next go, going to ask for the vaginal progesterone pessary; I do remember years ago when I tried the contraceptive pill I could not tolerate it caused constant vomiting,extreme tiredness etc, bit similar to the effects when I started using the oestrogel, I am now using my last months supply of femsevensequi and cutting the patches in half and sticking them on, try to get my body used to having hormones introduced bit more slowly; I will go back on to the oestrogel maybe next month but I will do what pinky says and just maybe use it alone for 3 months but use small measures daily and gradually up the dose till I can tolerate 1 pump a day and so on till hopefully I can get up to 2 pumps daily; I will add the pessaries slowly after that
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Post by shimmy on May 16, 2013 15:39:58 GMT
I will be seeing the physio again at the end of next week. She was very nice and helpful. If I don't see any improvement, I will see my osteopath.
Having to wait months for results is outrageous. Is this common all over the country or just where you live?
Maxine x
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Post by jacksfullofaces on May 16, 2013 17:07:02 GMT
I will be seeing the physio again at the end of next week. She was very nice and helpful. If I don't see any improvement, I will see my osteopath. Having to wait months for results is outrageous. Is this common all over the country or just where you live? Maxine x Maxine I suspect it is common throughout the country - wishing you luck in recovering. Jacks xx |
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