How to have a bleed

[loolla]

Dear all I am new but trying to learn fast.  Currently on oestrogel 2-3 pumps per day ( got it via sexual health consultant, GP still querying... " skin is there as a barrier not for absorbing drugs"......!).  GP forgot to prescribe it with a progesterone for a month and only when I researched on Internet did I realize mistake and contacted surgery for progesterone.   I was put on artificial progesterone norestherone or what ever called and I was crying on the way to work I felt so low and suicidal.  Tried elleste conti awful low mood.  So stopped and just carried on with oestrogel.  I know I need progesterone to stop build up of uterine lining to risky levels.   Looked at this and other forums and have finally got some utrogestan but it was too high I think as felt sluggish with200 mg, took for two days but just wanted to eat and sleep so stopped for two days, now have got utrogestan 100 mg and took one vaginally last night now have spotting, do I carry on with utergestan 100 daily will it stop bleed or start it which is what I want as last bleed end of May.   If I stop oestrogel for a week will this cause a bleed?  Please point me in right direction.  xx

[jacksfullofaces]

Hi
100 mg daily of Utrogestan will preventendometrial thinkening and should bring about a bleed due to opposing of oestrogen. If you are worried you can arrange a scan to check your lining.Remain on the oestrogel however.
Jacks

[loolla]

Jul 21, 2013 17:39:58 GMT jacksfullofaces said:

Hi
100 mg daily of Utrogestan will preventendometrial thinkening and should bring about a bleed due to opposing of oestrogen. If you are worried you can arrange a scan to check your lining.Remain on the oestrogel however.
Jacks 

Thank you jacks, am going to try this.  It's amazing to think of aall the women on anti- depressants, who have stepped down from work responsibilities and promotions and just given up and die rather than struggle with this issue.  I have a freind same age as me getting bent over with osteoporosis,  she trusts her Gp who says no 
 to hrt.   Another woman with  vaginal atrophy so bad that she won't have anything to do with her own vagina and district nurses have to visit daily for three minths to put in estradiol/ estriol cream.  The cost must be huge.  I remember looking at older women and my mother going through all this stuff heroically but eventually  have to retire from work early 10 years as they could not get support for this condition.  It's astonishing!  It's like a Stalinist Health Service where everyone is colluding to keep women in their place and not be able to to participate equally in their own health decisions  All of this is making me look at the NHS in a totally different way, people having to fight for medical resources to give them a decent quality of life and the continuation of  a healthy sex   / relationships / family life.  Maybe we should challenge them under the Human rights act to have choice of this medication.  No I am not going to backtrack and apologise for " menopausal hysterical rant" I am sick of the GPs having all the decision making power and being treated like a nuisance, patted on the head , being grovellingly  grateful that they wil give me a b***** prescription as dismiss 90 % of what I am saying to them!
loolla

[jacksfullofaces]

loola
you sound like a woman after my own heart. I have spoken publicly about females being denied hormones. I have argued with doctors and asked how they would enjoy chemical castration. My own GP finally caved in and leaves me to do as I wish. To be fair in this case it was the practice female gynaecologist who said no hormones and recommended menopace. I developed atrophy and she told me to use ovestin for only three months I asked if the vagina magically rejuvenated after three months and the bitch gave up. My physiotherapist told me she pleads with doctors to get vaginal estrogen cream and they refuse to prescribe - it goes on in a depressing drone. I have written a book called the politics of menopause discussing how a huge menopause industry has evolved making it lucrative to deny hormones to women - discussing every aspect from alternative quack remedies through to care home and mobility aids. It is a barbaric disgrace and Western society prides itself on the freedom it allows women !
You are not ranting - just telling it like it is.
Jacks

[evelyn54]

I agree. At the moment I am still using femseven sequi but it has totally sorted out hot flushes, cured the vagainal problems completely, I have a sex life again and one happy husband! I have no major side effects now (after 4 months approx. of using) I tried nearly all the 'natural' hrts and none of them worked like this. I had good advice a few months ago from members here and if I need a stronger Hrt later on (I am 1 year post menopause) I am going to use oestrogel and do the utrogestan vaginally! can't believe I suffered for 1 year with terrible urine infection and awful horrible dryness down below, etc etc I now feel like I did in my mid 40's (I am 55) completely rejuvenated! I LOVE my femseven sequi!

[gekard]

Hi Evelyn

Can I just ask.... do you have a period on the Femseven Sequi?

Thanks.... Gill

[evelyn54]

Hi, sorry I did not reply earlier; at first I didn't but I did have a period last month. However I think I am going to change to the Oestro gel and get the utrogesten as then this method is entirely bioidentical (I think), I am just dithering over what to tell my doctor I need, I think 100mg utro vaginally as its more gentle (I think) than the one you take by mouth and less side effects, im just deciding how long I need to take the utro for, either first 7 days or to use it every day, confusing

[jacksfullofaces]

Sept 16, 2013 20:20:11 GMT evelyn54 said:

Hi, sorry I did not reply earlier; at first I didn't but I did have a period last month. However I think I am going to change to the Oestro gel and get the utrogesten as then this method is entirely bioidentical (I think), I am just dithering over what to tell my doctor I need, I think 100mg utro vaginally as its more gentle (I think) than the one you take by mouth and less side effects, im just deciding how long I need to take the utro for, either first 7 days or to use it every day, confusing

if you use for a shorter period you will need 200 mg daily. Do not tell the doctor you are using it vaginally as it is not licensed for this purpose in the UK.
Jacks

[evelyn54]

Hi
Can I ask question jacks, I have now decided to switch and give the oestrogel gel another go along with the utrogesten, I got the utrogesten and asked my gp for the 100mg type which I am picking up Sunday from pharmacy, can I definitely use this vaginally (I didn't tell my doctor I wanted to do this) I guess I want to do this way after reading the forum and there seem to be less side effects, I was ok on the fem seven it was great for the vaginal dryness but gradually when I had to take the progesterone in the last 2weeks it was making me very tired and down, I am on one pump a day (been doing it for 3 days) as I want my body to get used to the difference I will up the dose next week to 2 pumps of gel, zim getting a bit hot but will increase dose of gel gradually, I will start using the utrogesten on Sunday night when I get them, lastly in your opinion is taking the utrogesten every day better tan taking it for just the 1st 7 days of a calendar month which I have read about too, And if I take utrogesten 100mg every night vaginally when do you get a bleed. Sorry to ask so many questions and apologies if these questions you have answered before

[jacksfullofaces]

Hi Evelyn
Many women use utrogestan vaginally to trigger a bleed. Normally for about ten to twelve days a month. I have never used it in this manner but many women who find progesterone hard to tolerate use this method.
If you are concerned about endometrial build up then keep your eyes open for abnormally heavy campy periods - a pelvic scan can be arranged privately for about £100 which will give you peace if mind.
However you need to be on a regime for six months to get a base line.
Sorry for delay in answering but house suffering from storm damage.
Jacks

[evelyn54]

Hi jacks thanks for your reply, I have only just clicked into the site after ages! Well when I got the utrogestan I did use it vaginally for the first 7 days, I then got a bleed however I also got an annoying urethral prolapse, I have always been weak in this area as I had a big op when I was 35 but I'm not sure if using the utro in this way made all the muscles relax even more! Anyway I went off to the clinic and got diagnosed ( it felt like I was walking around with a plum between my legs!) and it's much better now as I am doing the pelvic floor exercises 3 times a day, so next time I took the utro orally for first 7 days but this time I didn't get a bleed, I am due to start the utro beginning April and a bit scared to use vaginally in case it causes the prolapse again, have you ever heard of this.... I will take orally maybe for 10 days and then see if I get a bleed! Thanks for info about the scan, I am trying to find a clinic near where I live in richmond, Surrey and I will go. Good luck with flood damage hope it wasn't too bad.